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    Community, Family, and Finance: Cancel Your Credit Card Before
 You Die
 A lady died this past January, and the bank billed
 her for February and March for their annual service
 charges on her credit card, and added late fees and
 interest on the monthly charge. The balance had
 been $0.00 when she died, but now somewhere
 around $60.00. A family member placed a call to
 the Bank

 Here is the exchange
 Family Member: am calling to tell you she died
 back in January
 Bank The account was never closed and the late
 fees and charges stil apply.
 Family Member : 'Maybe, you should turn it over to
 collections.
 Bank: 'Since it is two months past due, it already
 has been.'
 Family Member So, what will they do when they
 find out she is dead?'
 Bank: 'Either report her account to frauds division
 or report her to the credit bureau, maybe both!'
 Family Member 'Do you think God will be mad at
 her?'
 Bank: 'Excuse me?'

 Family Member: 'Did you just get what I was
 telling you -
 the part about her being dead?'
 Bank: 'Sir, you'll have to speak to my supervisor.'
 Supervisor gets on the phone:
 Family Member 'I'm calling to tell you, she died
 back in January with a $0 balance.
 Bank: 'The account was never closed and late fees
 and charges still apply.'
 Family Member
 from her estate?'
 Bank (Stammer) 'Are you her lawyer?'
 Family Member 'No, I'm her great nephew.
 (Lawyer info was given)
 Bank: 'Could you fax us a certificate of death?'
 Family Member 'Sure. (Fax number was given)
 You mean you want to collect

 After they get the fax
 Bank: 'Our system just isn't setup for death.
 I don't know what more I can do to help.
 Family Member 'Well, if you figure it out, great!
 If not, you could just keep billing her. She won't
 care.
 Bank: 'Well, the late fees and charges do still
 apply.
 (What is wrong with these people?1?)
 Family Member: 'Would you like her new billing
 address?'
 Bank: That might help...
 Family Member: 'Odessa Memorial Cemetery
 Highway 129, Plot Number 69.'
 Bank: 'Sir, that's a cemetery !
 Family Member: 'And what do you do with dead
 people on your planet?
thefingerfuckingfemalefury:
ohgoditsneph:

niniblack:

eudoxiav:


lawful-evil-novelist:

theludicrousrival:


billiam-spockspeare:
Capitalism will put the bill on your grave and harass your grieving family until they pay

One of my cousins passed away unexpectedly at the age of 35, and had been paying back a loan from the bank. About two weeks after his death, my great aunt received a statement from the bank (his mail was being delivered to her house) about a late payment. She called the bank and explained the situation and the only thing a manager could say was β€œWell, that’s unfortunate. We can arrange so payments will resume in 30 days, that should be enough time to have already paid for the other arrangements.” 
On top of the unexpected $10,000 funeral, cremation and burial bill, my aunt had to finish paying my uncle’s $5,000 loan. She’s a disabled retiree, on a fixed income, and could barely afford to pay for her insulin for diabetes. She nearly lost her home of more than 40 years. Fuck the system. 


She didn’t need to pay.  When people die, their debts are not their family’s responsibility.
In fact, it is outright illegal to try and collect those debts from a person who didn’t cosign the loan and isn’t executing the will.
Debts and Deceased Relatives
Here’s a link to the detail on that one.


Banks count on people not knowing that last comment so that they can still get money


They really do. 
My great-grandmother had her identity stolen before she died at the age of 93, and thousands of charges were racked up on credit cards in her name. After she passed away, they called my mother to try and collect. My mom laughed at them, and told them: β€œShe’s dead, good luck collecting.” The credit card asked my mother, β€œDon’t you want to clear your grandmother’s debts? Don’t you want to clear her good name?” My mom laughed at them again. β€œNo,” she said. β€œBecause a 90 year old wasn’t watching porn with those credit cards, and her name is fine. Don’t give credit cards to old women likely to pass away soon. This is on you.”
Which is how I learned as a young child to always question collection agents, and to never pay off debts that aren’t your own. They often can’t even collect that money from the estate, if there is one, depending on how you write your will and what kind of account the money was kept in. 

DO NOT EVER PAY OFF DEBTS THAT AREN’T YOUR OWN.

If a loved one of yours dies and bill collectors (credit cards, loans, etc etc) start calling you off the hook and request that you pay off their debts, tell them in no uncertain terms to go fuck themselves.
The reason being is that the moment you give them a single penny, that debt is now on YOU because you’ve now agreed to pay it off.

Do not agree to pay off their debt. Do not pass go, do not give them $200.

Boosting this to let people know that if any of these greedy little dog-fuckers start harassing them to pay off a relatives debt the correct thing to do is just tell them to piss off and not pay them a single thing 
And that there is NOTHING they can do if you do this 


Unless you cosigned the loan, are a joint account holder, or a spouse of the deceased in a community property state, you would likely not be on the hook for any debts from the deceased. The executor of their estate will be in charge of addressing the loans with the help of the estate and hopefully life insurance money, but if there isn’t enough in that to pay off the debts then creditors are just shit out of luck and they legally are not allowed to mislead you into thinking you have to pay them back when you don’t (which is not to say that they don’t try). You have a legal right to order them not to contact you via letter.
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Community, Family, and Finance: Cancel Your Credit Card Before
 You Die
 A lady died this past January, and the bank billed
 her for February and March for their annual service
 charges on her credit card, and added late fees and
 interest on the monthly charge. The balance had
 been $0.00 when she died, but now somewhere
 around $60.00. A family member placed a call to
 the Bank

 Here is the exchange
 Family Member: am calling to tell you she died
 back in January
 Bank The account was never closed and the late
 fees and charges stil apply.
 Family Member : 'Maybe, you should turn it over to
 collections.
 Bank: 'Since it is two months past due, it already
 has been.'
 Family Member So, what will they do when they
 find out she is dead?'
 Bank: 'Either report her account to frauds division
 or report her to the credit bureau, maybe both!'
 Family Member 'Do you think God will be mad at
 her?'
 Bank: 'Excuse me?'

 Family Member: 'Did you just get what I was
 telling you -
 the part about her being dead?'
 Bank: 'Sir, you'll have to speak to my supervisor.'
 Supervisor gets on the phone:
 Family Member 'I'm calling to tell you, she died
 back in January with a $0 balance.
 Bank: 'The account was never closed and late fees
 and charges still apply.'
 Family Member
 from her estate?'
 Bank (Stammer) 'Are you her lawyer?'
 Family Member 'No, I'm her great nephew.
 (Lawyer info was given)
 Bank: 'Could you fax us a certificate of death?'
 Family Member 'Sure. (Fax number was given)
 You mean you want to collect

 After they get the fax
 Bank: 'Our system just isn't setup for death.
 I don't know what more I can do to help.
 Family Member 'Well, if you figure it out, great!
 If not, you could just keep billing her. She won't
 care.
 Bank: 'Well, the late fees and charges do still
 apply.
 (What is wrong with these people?1?)
 Family Member: 'Would you like her new billing
 address?'
 Bank: That might help...
 Family Member: 'Odessa Memorial Cemetery
 Highway 129, Plot Number 69.'
 Bank: 'Sir, that's a cemetery !
 Family Member: 'And what do you do with dead
 people on your planet?
thefingerfuckingfemalefury:
ohgoditsneph:

niniblack:

eudoxiav:


lawful-evil-novelist:

theludicrousrival:


billiam-spockspeare:
Capitalism will put the bill on your grave and harass your grieving family until they pay

One of my cousins passed away unexpectedly at the age of 35, and had been paying back a loan from the bank. About two weeks after his death, my great aunt received a statement from the bank (his mail was being delivered to her house) about a late payment. She called the bank and explained the situation and the only thing a manager could say was β€œWell, that’s unfortunate. We can arrange so payments will resume in 30 days, that should be enough time to have already paid for the other arrangements.” 
On top of the unexpected $10,000 funeral, cremation and burial bill, my aunt had to finish paying my uncle’s $5,000 loan. She’s a disabled retiree, on a fixed income, and could barely afford to pay for her insulin for diabetes. She nearly lost her home of more than 40 years. Fuck the system. 


She didn’t need to pay.  When people die, their debts are not their family’s responsibility.
In fact, it is outright illegal to try and collect those debts from a person who didn’t cosign the loan and isn’t executing the will.
Debts and Deceased Relatives
Here’s a link to the detail on that one.


Banks count on people not knowing that last comment so that they can still get money


They really do. 
My great-grandmother had her identity stolen before she died at the age of 93, and thousands of charges were racked up on credit cards in her name. After she passed away, they called my mother to try and collect. My mom laughed at them, and told them: β€œShe’s dead, good luck collecting.” The credit card asked my mother, β€œDon’t you want to clear your grandmother’s debts? Don’t you want to clear her good name?” My mom laughed at them again. β€œNo,” she said. β€œBecause a 90 year old wasn’t watching porn with those credit cards, and her name is fine. Don’t give credit cards to old women likely to pass away soon. This is on you.”
Which is how I learned as a young child to always question collection agents, and to never pay off debts that aren’t your own. They often can’t even collect that money from the estate, if there is one, depending on how you write your will and what kind of account the money was kept in. 

DO NOT EVER PAY OFF DEBTS THAT AREN’T YOUR OWN.

If a loved one of yours dies and bill collectors (credit cards, loans, etc etc) start calling you off the hook and request that you pay off their debts, tell them in no uncertain terms to go fuck themselves.
The reason being is that the moment you give them a single penny, that debt is now on YOU because you’ve now agreed to pay it off.

Do not agree to pay off their debt. Do not pass go, do not give them $200.

Boosting this to let people know that if any of these greedy little dog-fuckers start harassing them to pay off a relatives debt the correct thing to do is just tell them to piss off and not pay them a single thing 
And that there is NOTHING they can do if you do this 


Unless you cosigned the loan, are a joint account holder, or a spouse of the deceased in a community property state, you would likely not be on the hook for any debts from the deceased. The executor of their estate will be in charge of addressing the loans with the help of the estate and hopefully life insurance money, but if there isn’t enough in that to pay off the debts then creditors are just shit out of luck and they legally are not allowed to mislead you into thinking you have to pay them back when you don’t (which is not to say that they don’t try). You have a legal right to order them not to contact you via letter.
                
            

            
            
thefingerfuckingfemalefury:
ohgoditsneph:

niniblack:

eudoxiav:


lawful-evil-novelist:

theludicrousrival:


billiam-spockspeare:
Capitali...

            
            
        

    



            

        

        
        

            

                



            

        

        
        

            

                



            

        

        
        

            

                




    Family, Get Money, and God: Cancel Your Credit Card Before
 You Die
 A lady died this past January, and the bank billed
 her for February and March for their annual service
 charges on her credit card, and added late fees and
 interest on the monthly charge. The balance had
 been $0.00 when she died, but now somewhere
 around $60.00. A family member placed a call to
 the Bank

 Here is the exchange
 Family Member: am calling to tell you she died
 back in January
 Bank The account was never closed and the late
 fees and charges stil apply.
 Family Member : 'Maybe, you should turn it over to
 collections.
 Bank: 'Since it is two months past due, it already
 has been.'
 Family Member So, what will they do when they
 find out she is dead?'
 Bank: 'Either report her account to frauds division
 or report her to the credit bureau, maybe both!'
 Family Member 'Do you think God will be mad at
 her?'
 Bank: 'Excuse me?'

 Family Member: 'Did you just get what I was
 telling you -
 the part about her being dead?'
 Bank: 'Sir, you'll have to speak to my supervisor.'
 Supervisor gets on the phone:
 Family Member 'I'm calling to tell you, she died
 back in January with a $0 balance.
 Bank: 'The account was never closed and late fees
 and charges still apply.'
 Family Member
 from her estate?'
 Bank (Stammer) 'Are you her lawyer?'
 Family Member 'No, I'm her great nephew.
 (Lawyer info was given)
 Bank: 'Could you fax us a certificate of death?'
 Family Member 'Sure. (Fax number was given)
 You mean you want to collect

 After they get the fax
 Bank: 'Our system just isn't setup for death.
 I don't know what more I can do to help.
 Family Member 'Well, if you figure it out, great!
 If not, you could just keep billing her. She won't
 care.
 Bank: 'Well, the late fees and charges do still
 apply.
 (What is wrong with these people?1?)
 Family Member: 'Would you like her new billing
 address?'
 Bank: That might help...
 Family Member: 'Odessa Memorial Cemetery
 Highway 129, Plot Number 69.'
 Bank: 'Sir, that's a cemetery !
 Family Member: 'And what do you do with dead
 people on your planet?
thefingerfuckingfemalefury:
ohgoditsneph:

niniblack:

eudoxiav:


lawful-evil-novelist:

theludicrousrival:


billiam-spockspeare:
Capitalism will put the bill on your grave and harass your grieving family until they pay

One of my cousins passed away unexpectedly at the age of 35, and had been paying back a loan from the bank. About two weeks after his death, my great aunt received a statement from the bank (his mail was being delivered to her house) about a late payment. She called the bank and explained the situation and the only thing a manager could say was β€œWell, that’s unfortunate. We can arrange so payments will resume in 30 days, that should be enough time to have already paid for the other arrangements.” 
On top of the unexpected $10,000 funeral, cremation and burial bill, my aunt had to finish paying my uncle’s $5,000 loan. She’s a disabled retiree, on a fixed income, and could barely afford to pay for her insulin for diabetes. She nearly lost her home of more than 40 years. Fuck the system. 


She didn’t need to pay.  When people die, their debts are not their family’s responsibility.
In fact, it is outright illegal to try and collect those debts from a person who didn’t cosign the loan and isn’t executing the will.
Debts and Deceased Relatives
Here’s a link to the detail on that one.


Banks count on people not knowing that last comment so that they can still get money


They really do. 
My great-grandmother had her identity stolen before she died at the age of 93, and thousands of charges were racked up on credit cards in her name. After she passed away, they called my mother to try and collect. My mom laughed at them, and told them: β€œShe’s dead, good luck collecting.” The credit card asked my mother, β€œDon’t you want to clear your grandmother’s debts? Don’t you want to clear her good name?” My mom laughed at them again. β€œNo,” she said. β€œBecause a 90 year old wasn’t watching porn with those credit cards, and her name is fine. Don’t give credit cards to old women likely to pass away soon. This is on you.”
Which is how I learned as a young child to always question collection agents, and to never pay off debts that aren’t your own. They often can’t even collect that money from the estate, if there is one, depending on how you write your will and what kind of account the money was kept in. 

DO NOT EVER PAY OFF DEBTS THAT AREN’T YOUR OWN.

If a loved one of yours dies and bill collectors (credit cards, loans, etc etc) start calling you off the hook and request that you pay off their debts, tell them in no uncertain terms to go fuck themselves.
The reason being is that the moment you give them a single penny, that debt is now on YOU because you’ve now agreed to pay it off.

Do not agree to pay off their debt. Do not pass go, do not give them $200.

Boosting this to let people know that if any of these greedy little dog-fuckers start harassing them to pay off a relatives debt the correct thing to do is just tell them to piss off and not pay them a single thing 
And that there is NOTHING they can do if you do this 

    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Family, Get Money, and God: Cancel Your Credit Card Before
 You Die
 A lady died this past January, and the bank billed
 her for February and March for their annual service
 charges on her credit card, and added late fees and
 interest on the monthly charge. The balance had
 been $0.00 when she died, but now somewhere
 around $60.00. A family member placed a call to
 the Bank

 Here is the exchange
 Family Member: am calling to tell you she died
 back in January
 Bank The account was never closed and the late
 fees and charges stil apply.
 Family Member : 'Maybe, you should turn it over to
 collections.
 Bank: 'Since it is two months past due, it already
 has been.'
 Family Member So, what will they do when they
 find out she is dead?'
 Bank: 'Either report her account to frauds division
 or report her to the credit bureau, maybe both!'
 Family Member 'Do you think God will be mad at
 her?'
 Bank: 'Excuse me?'

 Family Member: 'Did you just get what I was
 telling you -
 the part about her being dead?'
 Bank: 'Sir, you'll have to speak to my supervisor.'
 Supervisor gets on the phone:
 Family Member 'I'm calling to tell you, she died
 back in January with a $0 balance.
 Bank: 'The account was never closed and late fees
 and charges still apply.'
 Family Member
 from her estate?'
 Bank (Stammer) 'Are you her lawyer?'
 Family Member 'No, I'm her great nephew.
 (Lawyer info was given)
 Bank: 'Could you fax us a certificate of death?'
 Family Member 'Sure. (Fax number was given)
 You mean you want to collect

 After they get the fax
 Bank: 'Our system just isn't setup for death.
 I don't know what more I can do to help.
 Family Member 'Well, if you figure it out, great!
 If not, you could just keep billing her. She won't
 care.
 Bank: 'Well, the late fees and charges do still
 apply.
 (What is wrong with these people?1?)
 Family Member: 'Would you like her new billing
 address?'
 Bank: That might help...
 Family Member: 'Odessa Memorial Cemetery
 Highway 129, Plot Number 69.'
 Bank: 'Sir, that's a cemetery !
 Family Member: 'And what do you do with dead
 people on your planet?
thefingerfuckingfemalefury:
ohgoditsneph:

niniblack:

eudoxiav:


lawful-evil-novelist:

theludicrousrival:


billiam-spockspeare:
Capitalism will put the bill on your grave and harass your grieving family until they pay

One of my cousins passed away unexpectedly at the age of 35, and had been paying back a loan from the bank. About two weeks after his death, my great aunt received a statement from the bank (his mail was being delivered to her house) about a late payment. She called the bank and explained the situation and the only thing a manager could say was β€œWell, that’s unfortunate. We can arrange so payments will resume in 30 days, that should be enough time to have already paid for the other arrangements.” 
On top of the unexpected $10,000 funeral, cremation and burial bill, my aunt had to finish paying my uncle’s $5,000 loan. She’s a disabled retiree, on a fixed income, and could barely afford to pay for her insulin for diabetes. She nearly lost her home of more than 40 years. Fuck the system. 


She didn’t need to pay.  When people die, their debts are not their family’s responsibility.
In fact, it is outright illegal to try and collect those debts from a person who didn’t cosign the loan and isn’t executing the will.
Debts and Deceased Relatives
Here’s a link to the detail on that one.


Banks count on people not knowing that last comment so that they can still get money


They really do. 
My great-grandmother had her identity stolen before she died at the age of 93, and thousands of charges were racked up on credit cards in her name. After she passed away, they called my mother to try and collect. My mom laughed at them, and told them: β€œShe’s dead, good luck collecting.” The credit card asked my mother, β€œDon’t you want to clear your grandmother’s debts? Don’t you want to clear her good name?” My mom laughed at them again. β€œNo,” she said. β€œBecause a 90 year old wasn’t watching porn with those credit cards, and her name is fine. Don’t give credit cards to old women likely to pass away soon. This is on you.”
Which is how I learned as a young child to always question collection agents, and to never pay off debts that aren’t your own. They often can’t even collect that money from the estate, if there is one, depending on how you write your will and what kind of account the money was kept in. 

DO NOT EVER PAY OFF DEBTS THAT AREN’T YOUR OWN.

If a loved one of yours dies and bill collectors (credit cards, loans, etc etc) start calling you off the hook and request that you pay off their debts, tell them in no uncertain terms to go fuck themselves.
The reason being is that the moment you give them a single penny, that debt is now on YOU because you’ve now agreed to pay it off.

Do not agree to pay off their debt. Do not pass go, do not give them $200.

Boosting this to let people know that if any of these greedy little dog-fuckers start harassing them to pay off a relatives debt the correct thing to do is just tell them to piss off and not pay them a single thing 
And that there is NOTHING they can do if you do this 

                
            

            
            
thefingerfuckingfemalefury:
ohgoditsneph:

niniblack:

eudoxiav:


lawful-evil-novelist:

theludicrousrival:


billiam-spockspeare:
Capitali...

            
            
        

    



            

        

        
        

            

                



            

        

        
        

            

                



            

        

        
        

            

                



            

        

        
        

            

                



            

        

        
        

            

                




    America, Children, and cnn.com: ICE
 Follow
 ICE @ICEgov
 ICE is committed to upholding an
 immigration detention system that
 prioritizes the health, safety, and welfare
 of all of those in our care in custody,
 including LGBTI individuals. (6/)
 Niece
 6:05 AM 13 Jun 2019
 76 Retweets 304 Likes

 Hot Spinster Bot
 Follow
 @glit_chh
 During the height of Nazi Germany,
 Fascists dispersed propaganda videos
 like Theresienstadt Soccer Matches to
 refute rumors of viscous crimes
 In 1943, the Office of War released
 footage that painted Japanese
 Internment camps as "normal
 communities"
 We've been fed this story.
 ICE @ICEgov
 ICE is committed to upholding an immigration
 detention system that prioritizes the health, safety, and
 welfare of all of those in our care in custody, including
 LGBTI individuals. (6/
 Show this thread
 8:39 AM 14 Jun 2019
 8,859 Retweets 14,041 Likes

 Zachary Fox
 Follow
 @zackfox
 I know this is bullshit propaganda cuz a mf in
 the first pic got on headphones plugged into
 absolutely nothing, fuck y'all
 ICE@ICEGOV
 ICE is committed to upholding
 immigration detention system
 an
 that prioritizes the health, safety, and welfare of all of those in our
 care in custody, including LGBTI individuals. (6/)
 Show this thread
 1:23 AM
 - 16 Jun 2019
 11,283 Retweets 46,837 Likes
bogleech:

unexpectedyarns:

3fluffies:

gahdamnpunk:
Why are they trying to be likeable? Ain’t nobody gonna believe them
America is operating concentration camps.Β  There’s no getting around it.Β  Here’s what those places are actually like:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/06/politics/ice-detention-center-ig-report/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/politics/hhs-activities-unaccompanied-children/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/border-patrol-mcallen-texas-pictures/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/us/arizona-migrant-child-abuse-allegations-shelter/index.html

Why isn’t America being investigated by the UN for war crimes?Β 

Because America’s military force is larger than the next five biggest powers on the planet. Every country is terrified of us. The people of almost every country consider us the biggest threat to their freedom and they’re right.

    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                America, Children, and cnn.com: ICE
 Follow
 ICE @ICEgov
 ICE is committed to upholding an
 immigration detention system that
 prioritizes the health, safety, and welfare
 of all of those in our care in custody,
 including LGBTI individuals. (6/)
 Niece
 6:05 AM 13 Jun 2019
 76 Retweets 304 Likes

 Hot Spinster Bot
 Follow
 @glit_chh
 During the height of Nazi Germany,
 Fascists dispersed propaganda videos
 like Theresienstadt Soccer Matches to
 refute rumors of viscous crimes
 In 1943, the Office of War released
 footage that painted Japanese
 Internment camps as "normal
 communities"
 We've been fed this story.
 ICE @ICEgov
 ICE is committed to upholding an immigration
 detention system that prioritizes the health, safety, and
 welfare of all of those in our care in custody, including
 LGBTI individuals. (6/
 Show this thread
 8:39 AM 14 Jun 2019
 8,859 Retweets 14,041 Likes

 Zachary Fox
 Follow
 @zackfox
 I know this is bullshit propaganda cuz a mf in
 the first pic got on headphones plugged into
 absolutely nothing, fuck y'all
 ICE@ICEGOV
 ICE is committed to upholding
 immigration detention system
 an
 that prioritizes the health, safety, and welfare of all of those in our
 care in custody, including LGBTI individuals. (6/)
 Show this thread
 1:23 AM
 - 16 Jun 2019
 11,283 Retweets 46,837 Likes
bogleech:

unexpectedyarns:

3fluffies:

gahdamnpunk:
Why are they trying to be likeable? Ain’t nobody gonna believe them
America is operating concentration camps.Β  There’s no getting around it.Β  Here’s what those places are actually like:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/06/politics/ice-detention-center-ig-report/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/politics/hhs-activities-unaccompanied-children/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/politics/border-patrol-mcallen-texas-pictures/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/us/arizona-migrant-child-abuse-allegations-shelter/index.html

Why isn’t America being investigated by the UN for war crimes?Β 

Because America’s military force is larger than the next five biggest powers on the planet. Every country is terrified of us. The people of almost every country consider us the biggest threat to their freedom and they’re right.

                
            

            
            
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    Af, Books, and Community: ti skerb Retweeted
 Shan AF RJ mesa 15 - AF SP mesa 71 @ShanaBRX Jun 14
 Fuck everyone who whines about ao3
 News
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 May 2019 Newsletter, Volume 135
 Published: Thu 13 Jun 2019 01:03PM 03 Comments: 4
 Recently, the Archive of Our Own has received an influx of
 new Chinese users, a result of tightening content restrictions
 on other platforms. We would like to extend our warmest
 welcome to them, and remind everyone that our committees
 are working to make AO3 as accessible as possible in
 languages other than English
 Read more...
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ao3tagoftheday:

zoe2213414:
eabevella:

naryrising:

You can read the post hereΒ for more info, but I wanted to just add a bit about what this entails from my POV, on the Support team.Β  Somewhere between ΒΌ to 1/3 of all our tickets last month were in Chinese (somewhere upwards of 300 out of 1200 or so), almost all from users just setting up their accounts or trying to find out how to get an invitation.Β  A lot of the tickets are what I’d characterize asΒ β€œintro” tickets - they say hi, list favourite fandoms or pairings, or provide samples of fic they’ve written. Although this isn’t necessary on AO3, this is not uncommon in Chinese fandom sites that you have to prove your credentials to get in (in fact it wasn’t uncommon in English-language fandom sites 15-20 years ago).Β  We respond to all of these tickets, even the ones that just say hi.Β  We check whether the user has managed to receive their invite or get their account sent up, and if they haven’t, we help them do so.Β  This means taking every single ticket through our Chinese translation team twice, once so we make sure we understand the initial ticket, and then again to translate our reply.Β 
This is a challenging process, although we’ve found ways to streamline it and can normally get a reply out pretty quickly (like within a few days).Β  We do it because this is part of why AO3 exists in the first place - to provide a safe haven where users can post their works without worrying about censorship or sudden crackdowns on certain kinds of content.Β  We do it because this is important, and helping these users get their accounts and be able to share their works safely is why we’re here.Β  We hope that we’ll be able to help as many of them as possible.Β Β 
There have been a few (thankfully few, that I’ve seen) complaints about these new AO3 users not always knowing how things work - what language to tag with, or what fandom tags to use, for instance.Β  To this I would say:
1. Have patience and be considerate.Β  They are coming to a new site that they aren’t familiar with, and using it in a language they may not be expert in, and it might take a while to learn the ropes.Β  You can filter out works tagged in Chinese if you don’t want to see them.Β  Or just scroll past.Β Β 
2. You can report works tagged with the wrong language or the wrong fandom to our Policy and Abuse team using the link at the bottom of any page.Β  This will not cause the authors toΒ β€œget in trouble” (a concern I’ve heard before, as people are reluctant to report for these reasons).Β  It means the Policy and Abuse team will contact them to ask them to change the language/fandom tag, and if the creator doesn’t, they can edit it directly.Β 
If you remember Strikethrough or the FF.net porn ban or similar purges, please keep them in mind and consider that these users are going through something similar or potentially worse.Β  This is why AO3 exists.Β  We are doing our best to try and help make the transition smooth.Β Β 

I am a Taiwanese and I’d like to put some context behind the recent influx of China based AO3 users.
China is tightening their freedom of speech in recent years after Xi has became the chairman (he even canceled the 10 years long term of service of chairman, meaning he can stay as the leader of China as long as he lives–he has became a dictator). 
They censor words that are deemed β€œsensitive”, you can’t type anything to criticize the chinise government. Big social media platform won’t even post the posts containing sensitive words. You don’t have the freedom of publish books without the books being approved by the government either.
To disguise this whole Ninety Eighty-Four nightmare, they started to pick on the easy target: the women and the minorities (China is getting more and more misogynistic as a result of the government trying to control their male population through encouraging them to control the female population through β€œchinese tradition family value” but that’s another story). 
Last year, the chinese government arrested a woman who is a famous yaoi/BL novel writer named 倩一 and sentenced her 10 years in jail for β€œselling obscene publications” and β€œillegal publication” (she’s not the only BL writer who got arrested. Meanwhile, multiple cases where men raped women only get about 2 years of jail time in China). It’s a warning to anyone who want to publish anything that’s β€œnot approved” by the government that they can literally ruin you.Β  
Just recently the chinese government β€œcontacted” website owners of one of their largest romance/yaoi/slash fiction sites 
ζ™‰ζ±Ÿ

and announced that for now on, for the sake of a Clean Society, they can’t write anything that’s slightly β€œobscene”. No sex scene, no sexual interaction, they can’t even write any bodily interaction below neck (I’m not kidding here). 
But that’s not their actual goal. They also listed other restriction such as: can’t write anything that’s about the government, the military, the police, β€œsensitive history”, β€œrace problems”, which is… you basically can’t write anything that might be used as a tool to criticize the government (as many novels did). 
This recent development really hurt the chinese fanfic writers. They can’t write anything without the fear of being put on the guillotine by the government to show their control. Most of them don’t even think that deep politically, they just want to write slash fictions. But there are no platform safe in China, that’s why the sudden influx of chinese users to AO3. 
I bet it won’t be long before AO3 got banned in China, but until then, be a little bit patient to them. As much as I hate the chinese government, I pity their people. 


I’m crying so loud…As a Chinese, you don’t know how your kindness meant to us. When I’m young, I read 1984, and I thought this story is so unrealistic, but now, it’s getting tougher and tougher for fanfic and the writer in China. Thank you ao3. Thank you for the people who care about Chinese people. (hope I didn’t spell anything wrong)


Hi everyone! As much as I poke fun at ao3 culture on this blog, I love the platform and the community and I’m glad that it can function as a refuge for Chinese fans, both writers and readers.So followers! I encourage you all to be welcoming and helpful to Chinese fans joining us on ao3 and to be patient as the platform figures out how to integrate them. If any of you are Chinese speakers and are inclined to volunteer with ao3, I’m sure that would be appreciated. As for the rest of us, let’s remember that ao3 exists as a sanctuary for our community, especially exactly those parts of it that are most at risk under Chinese censorship (lgbt+ content, explicit fics, etc.) and let’s take this opportunity to be grateful that our community has worked together so well for so long in order to create this sanctuary. I’m delighted that that effort can now be helpful to Chinese fans facing censorship, and I’m excited to see how Chinese fans and fan culture will interact and co-create with English speaking fandom.And with that, I’m off to slip ao3 an extra 10 dollars.
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Af, Books, and Community: ti skerb Retweeted
 Shan AF RJ mesa 15 - AF SP mesa 71 @ShanaBRX Jun 14
 Fuck everyone who whines about ao3
 News
 All News
 May 2019 Newsletter, Volume 135
 Published: Thu 13 Jun 2019 01:03PM 03 Comments: 4
 Recently, the Archive of Our Own has received an influx of
 new Chinese users, a result of tightening content restrictions
 on other platforms. We would like to extend our warmest
 welcome to them, and remind everyone that our committees
 are working to make AO3 as accessible as possible in
 languages other than English
 Read more...
 20
 t 2.8K
 6.4K
 Show this thread
ao3tagoftheday:

zoe2213414:
eabevella:

naryrising:

You can read the post hereΒ for more info, but I wanted to just add a bit about what this entails from my POV, on the Support team.Β  Somewhere between ΒΌ to 1/3 of all our tickets last month were in Chinese (somewhere upwards of 300 out of 1200 or so), almost all from users just setting up their accounts or trying to find out how to get an invitation.Β  A lot of the tickets are what I’d characterize asΒ β€œintro” tickets - they say hi, list favourite fandoms or pairings, or provide samples of fic they’ve written. Although this isn’t necessary on AO3, this is not uncommon in Chinese fandom sites that you have to prove your credentials to get in (in fact it wasn’t uncommon in English-language fandom sites 15-20 years ago).Β  We respond to all of these tickets, even the ones that just say hi.Β  We check whether the user has managed to receive their invite or get their account sent up, and if they haven’t, we help them do so.Β  This means taking every single ticket through our Chinese translation team twice, once so we make sure we understand the initial ticket, and then again to translate our reply.Β 
This is a challenging process, although we’ve found ways to streamline it and can normally get a reply out pretty quickly (like within a few days).Β  We do it because this is part of why AO3 exists in the first place - to provide a safe haven where users can post their works without worrying about censorship or sudden crackdowns on certain kinds of content.Β  We do it because this is important, and helping these users get their accounts and be able to share their works safely is why we’re here.Β  We hope that we’ll be able to help as many of them as possible.Β Β 
There have been a few (thankfully few, that I’ve seen) complaints about these new AO3 users not always knowing how things work - what language to tag with, or what fandom tags to use, for instance.Β  To this I would say:
1. Have patience and be considerate.Β  They are coming to a new site that they aren’t familiar with, and using it in a language they may not be expert in, and it might take a while to learn the ropes.Β  You can filter out works tagged in Chinese if you don’t want to see them.Β  Or just scroll past.Β Β 
2. You can report works tagged with the wrong language or the wrong fandom to our Policy and Abuse team using the link at the bottom of any page.Β  This will not cause the authors toΒ β€œget in trouble” (a concern I’ve heard before, as people are reluctant to report for these reasons).Β  It means the Policy and Abuse team will contact them to ask them to change the language/fandom tag, and if the creator doesn’t, they can edit it directly.Β 
If you remember Strikethrough or the FF.net porn ban or similar purges, please keep them in mind and consider that these users are going through something similar or potentially worse.Β  This is why AO3 exists.Β  We are doing our best to try and help make the transition smooth.Β Β 

I am a Taiwanese and I’d like to put some context behind the recent influx of China based AO3 users.
China is tightening their freedom of speech in recent years after Xi has became the chairman (he even canceled the 10 years long term of service of chairman, meaning he can stay as the leader of China as long as he lives–he has became a dictator). 
They censor words that are deemed β€œsensitive”, you can’t type anything to criticize the chinise government. Big social media platform won’t even post the posts containing sensitive words. You don’t have the freedom of publish books without the books being approved by the government either.
To disguise this whole Ninety Eighty-Four nightmare, they started to pick on the easy target: the women and the minorities (China is getting more and more misogynistic as a result of the government trying to control their male population through encouraging them to control the female population through β€œchinese tradition family value” but that’s another story). 
Last year, the chinese government arrested a woman who is a famous yaoi/BL novel writer named 倩一 and sentenced her 10 years in jail for β€œselling obscene publications” and β€œillegal publication” (she’s not the only BL writer who got arrested. Meanwhile, multiple cases where men raped women only get about 2 years of jail time in China). It’s a warning to anyone who want to publish anything that’s β€œnot approved” by the government that they can literally ruin you.Β  
Just recently the chinese government β€œcontacted” website owners of one of their largest romance/yaoi/slash fiction sites 
ζ™‰ζ±Ÿ

and announced that for now on, for the sake of a Clean Society, they can’t write anything that’s slightly β€œobscene”. No sex scene, no sexual interaction, they can’t even write any bodily interaction below neck (I’m not kidding here). 
But that’s not their actual goal. They also listed other restriction such as: can’t write anything that’s about the government, the military, the police, β€œsensitive history”, β€œrace problems”, which is… you basically can’t write anything that might be used as a tool to criticize the government (as many novels did). 
This recent development really hurt the chinese fanfic writers. They can’t write anything without the fear of being put on the guillotine by the government to show their control. Most of them don’t even think that deep politically, they just want to write slash fictions. But there are no platform safe in China, that’s why the sudden influx of chinese users to AO3. 
I bet it won’t be long before AO3 got banned in China, but until then, be a little bit patient to them. As much as I hate the chinese government, I pity their people. 


I’m crying so loud…As a Chinese, you don’t know how your kindness meant to us. When I’m young, I read 1984, and I thought this story is so unrealistic, but now, it’s getting tougher and tougher for fanfic and the writer in China. Thank you ao3. Thank you for the people who care about Chinese people. (hope I didn’t spell anything wrong)


Hi everyone! As much as I poke fun at ao3 culture on this blog, I love the platform and the community and I’m glad that it can function as a refuge for Chinese fans, both writers and readers.So followers! I encourage you all to be welcoming and helpful to Chinese fans joining us on ao3 and to be patient as the platform figures out how to integrate them. If any of you are Chinese speakers and are inclined to volunteer with ao3, I’m sure that would be appreciated. As for the rest of us, let’s remember that ao3 exists as a sanctuary for our community, especially exactly those parts of it that are most at risk under Chinese censorship (lgbt+ content, explicit fics, etc.) and let’s take this opportunity to be grateful that our community has worked together so well for so long in order to create this sanctuary. I’m delighted that that effort can now be helpful to Chinese fans facing censorship, and I’m excited to see how Chinese fans and fan culture will interact and co-create with English speaking fandom.And with that, I’m off to slip ao3 an extra 10 dollars.
                
            

            
            
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naryrising:

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    Iphone, Lawyer, and Tumblr: Breezy
 Follow
 @LilBreezyVert3
 Please stay safe everyone
 your rights
 remember
 or if you let them in. Tell them to pass the
 cricket
 5:37 PM
 91%
 warrant under the door before you open.
 REMAIN SILENT
 CE can use anything you say against you in
 ngaton case so claim your right
 Thread
 y7leatheh am nd t
 DO NOT SIGN
 Don't sign anything ICE gives you without
 talking to an attorney
 Donald J. Trump
 @realDonaldTrump
 REPORT THE RAID!
 A
 badge numbers, number of agents, exactly
 what happened!
 Next week ICE will begin the process
 FIGHT BACK!
 of removing the milions of illegal
 aliens who have illicitly found their way
 into the United States. They will be
 removed as fast as they come in.
 de amresto y que te la pasen por debajo
 de la muerta.
 GUARDA SILENCIO
 Tienes el derecho a permanecer callado/a
 Si te confrontan agentes de inmigraciΓ³n, d
 deh ndsy tg
 NO FIRMES
 No firmes nada que te den los agentes
 de inmigraciΓ³n
 iREPORTA LA REDADA!
 Mexico, using their strong immigration
 Toma fatos y videos de todos los detales
 que veas. Dile a tus amigos y vecinos lo
 que sucede y edΓΊcalos sobre sus derechos
 laws, is doing a very good job of
 HAZ UN PLAN Y PELEA
 9:06 PM - 18 Jun 2019
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 t9.3K
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 llcricket
 5:37 PM
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 Thread
 Donald J. Trump
 @realDonaldTrump
 Next week ICE will begin the process
 of removing the millions of illegal
 aliens who have illicitly found their
 into the United States. They will be
 removed as fast as they come in.
 Mexico, using their strong immigration
 laws, is doing a very good job of
 stopping people..
 7:20 PM 6/17/19 Twitter for iPhone
 31.8K Retweets 131K Likes
 Donald J. Trump@realDonal... 22h
 Tweet your reply

 WHAT TO DO
 IF ICE COMES TO YOUR DOOR
 DO NOT OPEN DOORS
 ICE cannot come in without a signed warrant
 or if you let them in. Tell them to pass the
 warrant under the door before you open.
 REMAIN SILENT
 ICE can use anything you say against you in
 your immigration case so claim your right
 to remain silent!
 Say "I plead the fifth amendment and choose to remain silent"
 DO NOT SIGN
 Don't sign anything ICE gives you without
 talking to an attorney.
 REPORT THE RAID!
 Report immediately: UWD hotline 1-844-363-1423.
 Take pictures, video and notes:
 badge numbers, number of agents, exactly
 what happened!
 FIGHT BACK!
 Get a trustworthy attorney & explore all
 options to fight your case. If detained, you
 may be able to get bail -don't give up hope!
 United We Dream
 unitedwedream.org/ICEcollaboration

 EN CASO DE REDADAS
 QUE PUEDES HACER?
 NO ABRAS LA PUERTA
 PregΓΊntale a la migra si tienen una orden
 de arresto y que te la pasen por debajo
 de la puerta.
 GUARDA SILENCIO
 Tienes el derecho a permanecer callado/a.
 Si te confrontan agentes de inmigraciΓ³n, di:
 *"Uso mi derecho bajo la quinta enmienda, y tengo el
 derecho a mantenerme callado/a"
 NO FIRMES
 No firmes nada que te den los agentes
 de inmigraciΓ³n.
 iREPORTA LA REDADA!
 Reporta inmediatamente al 1-844-363-1423.
 Toma fotos y videos de todos los detalles
 que veas. Dile a tus amigos y vecinos lo
 que sucede y edΓΊcalos sobre sus derechos.
 Β‘HAZ UN PLAN Y PELEA!
 SΓ­ inmigraciΓ³n detiene a un ser querido, busca un
 abogado de confianza, y haz planes para que
 alguien cuide a tus hijos. Tu puedes pelear un
 caso de detenciΓ³n y tal vez recibir una fianza.
 United We Drean
 unitedwedream.org/ICEcollaboration

 If ICE Agents Show Up At Your Door:
 Don't open the door, but be calm. You have rights.
 Ask what they are there for, (and ask for an interpreter if you need one).
 If they ask to enter, ask if they have a warrant signed by a judge* and
 if so, ask to see it (through a window or slipped under the door).
 If they do NOT have a warrant signed by a judge*, you may refuse
 to let them in. Ask them to leave any information at your door.
 If they force their way in, don't resist. Tell everyone in the residence
 to remain silent.
 If you are arrested, remain silent and do not sign anything until
 you speak to a lawyer.
 An ICE administrative warrant (form l-200, I-205) does not allow them
 to enter your home without your consent.
 IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS
 ENFORCEMENT
 ACLU KNOW YOUR RIGHTS
endangered-justice-seeker:
PLEASE SHARE THIS USEFUL INFORMATION IT COULD SAVE LIVES 
    

        
        
        
        
        
        
        
        
    

    

        

            
            

                
                Iphone, Lawyer, and Tumblr: Breezy
 Follow
 @LilBreezyVert3
 Please stay safe everyone
 your rights
 remember
 or if you let them in. Tell them to pass the
 cricket
 5:37 PM
 91%
 warrant under the door before you open.
 REMAIN SILENT
 CE can use anything you say against you in
 ngaton case so claim your right
 Thread
 y7leatheh am nd t
 DO NOT SIGN
 Don't sign anything ICE gives you without
 talking to an attorney
 Donald J. Trump
 @realDonaldTrump
 REPORT THE RAID!
 A
 badge numbers, number of agents, exactly
 what happened!
 Next week ICE will begin the process
 FIGHT BACK!
 of removing the milions of illegal
 aliens who have illicitly found their way
 into the United States. They will be
 removed as fast as they come in.
 de amresto y que te la pasen por debajo
 de la muerta.
 GUARDA SILENCIO
 Tienes el derecho a permanecer callado/a
 Si te confrontan agentes de inmigraciΓ³n, d
 deh ndsy tg
 NO FIRMES
 No firmes nada que te den los agentes
 de inmigraciΓ³n
 iREPORTA LA REDADA!
 Mexico, using their strong immigration
 Toma fatos y videos de todos los detales
 que veas. Dile a tus amigos y vecinos lo
 que sucede y edΓΊcalos sobre sus derechos
 laws, is doing a very good job of
 HAZ UN PLAN Y PELEA
 9:06 PM - 18 Jun 2019
 9,314 Retweets 6,260 Likes
 t9.3K
 25
 6.3K

 llcricket
 5:37 PM
 91%
 Thread
 Donald J. Trump
 @realDonaldTrump
 Next week ICE will begin the process
 of removing the millions of illegal
 aliens who have illicitly found their
 into the United States. They will be
 removed as fast as they come in.
 Mexico, using their strong immigration
 laws, is doing a very good job of
 stopping people..
 7:20 PM 6/17/19 Twitter for iPhone
 31.8K Retweets 131K Likes
 Donald J. Trump@realDonal... 22h
 Tweet your reply

 WHAT TO DO
 IF ICE COMES TO YOUR DOOR
 DO NOT OPEN DOORS
 ICE cannot come in without a signed warrant
 or if you let them in. Tell them to pass the
 warrant under the door before you open.
 REMAIN SILENT
 ICE can use anything you say against you in
 your immigration case so claim your right
 to remain silent!
 Say "I plead the fifth amendment and choose to remain silent"
 DO NOT SIGN
 Don't sign anything ICE gives you without
 talking to an attorney.
 REPORT THE RAID!
 Report immediately: UWD hotline 1-844-363-1423.
 Take pictures, video and notes:
 badge numbers, number of agents, exactly
 what happened!
 FIGHT BACK!
 Get a trustworthy attorney & explore all
 options to fight your case. If detained, you
 may be able to get bail -don't give up hope!
 United We Dream
 unitedwedream.org/ICEcollaboration

 EN CASO DE REDADAS
 QUE PUEDES HACER?
 NO ABRAS LA PUERTA
 PregΓΊntale a la migra si tienen una orden
 de arresto y que te la pasen por debajo
 de la puerta.
 GUARDA SILENCIO
 Tienes el derecho a permanecer callado/a.
 Si te confrontan agentes de inmigraciΓ³n, di:
 *"Uso mi derecho bajo la quinta enmienda, y tengo el
 derecho a mantenerme callado/a"
 NO FIRMES
 No firmes nada que te den los agentes
 de inmigraciΓ³n.
 iREPORTA LA REDADA!
 Reporta inmediatamente al 1-844-363-1423.
 Toma fotos y videos de todos los detalles
 que veas. Dile a tus amigos y vecinos lo
 que sucede y edΓΊcalos sobre sus derechos.
 Β‘HAZ UN PLAN Y PELEA!
 SΓ­ inmigraciΓ³n detiene a un ser querido, busca un
 abogado de confianza, y haz planes para que
 alguien cuide a tus hijos. Tu puedes pelear un
 caso de detenciΓ³n y tal vez recibir una fianza.
 United We Drean
 unitedwedream.org/ICEcollaboration

 If ICE Agents Show Up At Your Door:
 Don't open the door, but be calm. You have rights.
 Ask what they are there for, (and ask for an interpreter if you need one).
 If they ask to enter, ask if they have a warrant signed by a judge* and
 if so, ask to see it (through a window or slipped under the door).
 If they do NOT have a warrant signed by a judge*, you may refuse
 to let them in. Ask them to leave any information at your door.
 If they force their way in, don't resist. Tell everyone in the residence
 to remain silent.
 If you are arrested, remain silent and do not sign anything until
 you speak to a lawyer.
 An ICE administrative warrant (form l-200, I-205) does not allow them
 to enter your home without your consent.
 IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS
 ENFORCEMENT
 ACLU KNOW YOUR RIGHTS
endangered-justice-seeker:
PLEASE SHARE THIS USEFUL INFORMATION IT COULD SAVE LIVES 
                
            

            
            
endangered-justice-seeker:
PLEASE SHARE THIS USEFUL INFORMATION IT COULD SAVE LIVES